Comments on: The first shot, or is it the second, or is trdev for real? http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/ Robert Bacal's Commentary and Learning Materials For Trainers, Managers, HR Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:59:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Laura http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-1979 Laura Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:28:42 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-1979 Your repeated reliance on ad hominem argument may be a key reason for the on-going altercations in the first place. Personas? How about representing yourself with professional aplomb regardless of where you are discussing your opinions? Your repeated reliance on ad hominem argument may be a key reason for the on-going altercations in the first place. Personas? How about representing yourself with professional aplomb regardless of where you are discussing your opinions?

]]> By: Robert Bacal http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-1532 Robert Bacal Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:45:32 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-1532 Completely different roles, personas, functions, purposes. If you believe you can know complex people solely through the Internet, you`re an idiot. (there, is that more consistent for your). You get to see what you are allowed to see. Completely different roles, personas, functions, purposes.

If you believe you can know complex people solely through the Internet, you`re an idiot. (there, is that more consistent for your). You get to see what you are allowed to see.

]]> By: Robert Bacal http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-1531 Robert Bacal Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:43:34 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-1531 I have mixed feelings about your comments, and about you personally because of your history on the net, and your anonymity over the years. The whole story of my experience with trdev is here on the blog if you want to look at it, and describes the reason for Bev Ferrell getting so upset, and also their erasure of the entire archive going back almost ten years. Beyond that, it`s water under the bridge. I`d remove the posts about it here, but I tend to believe in the importance of history. I have mixed feelings about your comments, and about you personally because of your history on the net, and your anonymity over the years.

The whole story of my experience with trdev is here on the blog if you want to look at it, and describes the reason for Bev Ferrell getting so upset, and also their erasure of the entire archive going back almost ten years.

Beyond that, it`s water under the bridge. I`d remove the posts about it here, but I tend to believe in the importance of history.

]]> By: Esperanza http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-1530 Esperanza Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:35:08 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-1530 That said - being a "well-known author" I would think you'd be more concerned about your communication style and how you deliver your messages. I've seen your "work" on the ASTD boards and I've read one of your books (about performance management) and I have to say - I thought maybe you were two different people. I thought -- this person posting on ASTD and TRDEV cannot possibly be the same light-hearted, friendly-toned writer of this book. That said – being a “well-known author” I would think you’d be more concerned about your communication style and how you deliver your messages. I’ve seen your “work” on the ASTD boards and I’ve read one of your books (about performance management) and I have to say – I thought maybe you were two different people. I thought — this person posting on ASTD and TRDEV cannot possibly be the same light-hearted, friendly-toned writer of this book.

]]> By: Esperanza http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-1529 Esperanza Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:32:50 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-1529 It was my consistent experience that TRDEV was unwelcoming of any commentary other than that cushioned with soft fluffy bunnies. For a while, I was under the distinct impression that you could do no wrong in the moderators' eyes, so I would be fascinated to know what you did to peeve them so much. Personally, I find nothing valuable about a discussion board where only the opinions that the moderators like are allowed to remain. It was my consistent experience that TRDEV was unwelcoming of any commentary other than that cushioned with soft fluffy bunnies. For a while, I was under the distinct impression that you could do no wrong in the moderators’ eyes, so I would be fascinated to know what you did to peeve them so much.

Personally, I find nothing valuable about a discussion board where only the opinions that the moderators like are allowed to remain.

]]> By: Mail sent to Robert Bacal banning him from trdev (training and development) discussion list | The Curmudgeonly Trainer http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Mail sent to Robert Bacal banning him from trdev (training and development) discussion list | The Curmudgeonly Trainer Sat, 03 May 2008 03:47:42 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-4 [...] After a period of criticism about the running of the trdev list, Robert Bacal received the following from Kobus Kruger. Due to the general secrecy of the moderating group, nobody knows who actually owns trdev, but it’s primarily Kobus and Bev Ferrell that seem to be the public face. The email is reproduced in its entirety. My comments (or what would be responses) are in blue. My response to their post is here. [...] [...] After a period of criticism about the running of the trdev list, Robert Bacal received the following from Kobus Kruger. Due to the general secrecy of the moderating group, nobody knows who actually owns trdev, but it’s primarily Kobus and Bev Ferrell that seem to be the public face. The email is reproduced in its entirety. My comments (or what would be responses) are in blue. My response to their post is here. [...]

]]> By: admin http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/site-news/the-first-shot-or-is-it-the-second-or-is-trdev-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-2 admin Fri, 02 May 2008 01:28:36 +0000 http://www.thetrainingworld.com/wp/?p=4#comment-2 Just a quick after comment. The trdev folks did not reply to my attempt to open a dialogue, so I'll carry on the conversation here, in public as time permits, posting some of the original messages. Just a quick after comment. The trdev folks did not reply to my attempt to open a dialogue, so I’ll carry on the conversation here, in public as time permits, posting some of the original messages.

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