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	<title>Comments on: Communication Generalizations and Prescriptions &#8211; Load of Hot Hooie #trdev</title>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty cool post. I just stumbled upon your site and wanted to say 
that I&#039;ve really enjoyed browsing your posts. In any case 
I&#039;ll be subscribing to your feed and I hope you write again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty cool post. I just stumbled upon your site and wanted to say<br />
that I&#8217;ve really enjoyed browsing your posts. In any case<br />
I&#8217;ll be subscribing to your feed and I hope you write again soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bacal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bacal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Lot&#039;s of really good stuff in that.

1)As for what can be done, I suspect that like many problems, the causes, and the solutions are difficult because there&#039;s no single &quot;thing&quot; that can address unprepared trainers, or those who have learned only enough to sound ok, but who are not. Speaking out on the issue is all I got right now.

2)As for the &quot;homework&quot;, part of my point is that, for many issues, questions, statements, one has to &quot;drill down&quot; to the specific meanings in terms of behavior. Critical thinking sounds good, at least to some, but the only way we can even talk about it meaningfully is to figure out what each of us might mean in terms of behavior, that exemplifies &quot;critical thinking&quot;. Most of the time, we don&#039;t do that, hence we don&#039;t move past the glib, facile talk and instruction of a lot of trainers.

3) As for the critical thinker looking inward first, I suppose we&#039;d hope for that, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s necessary for someone to do so in order to contribute to making something better. Don&#039;t get me wrong. I think it&#039;s important, particularly over the long haul. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s a requirement in order to contribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Lot&#8217;s of really good stuff in that.</p>
<p>1)As for what can be done, I suspect that like many problems, the causes, and the solutions are difficult because there&#8217;s no single &#8220;thing&#8221; that can address unprepared trainers, or those who have learned only enough to sound ok, but who are not. Speaking out on the issue is all I got right now.</p>
<p>2)As for the &#8220;homework&#8221;, part of my point is that, for many issues, questions, statements, one has to &#8220;drill down&#8221; to the specific meanings in terms of behavior. Critical thinking sounds good, at least to some, but the only way we can even talk about it meaningfully is to figure out what each of us might mean in terms of behavior, that exemplifies &#8220;critical thinking&#8221;. Most of the time, we don&#8217;t do that, hence we don&#8217;t move past the glib, facile talk and instruction of a lot of trainers.</p>
<p>3) As for the critical thinker looking inward first, I suppose we&#8217;d hope for that, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s necessary for someone to do so in order to contribute to making something better. Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I think it&#8217;s important, particularly over the long haul. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s a requirement in order to contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan Davidovic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan Davidovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, would it be fair to say that you&#039;ve built this to persuade trainers who teach this crap to stop doing so? Is this what an effective strategy for that purpose looks like? I fully agree with you re: always/never, but have no idea how to effectively deal with it other than to ask the odd question, try to open things up, and not expect to change anyone&#039;s thinking and behaviour in a single encounter with them.

As for the postscript homework, it&#039;s an interesting question: on the one hand, who could argue against critical thinking? On the other, who actually wants and doesn&#039;t want the sort of *behaviour* that we associate with critical thinking -- lots of questions, putting forward counter-arguments, and so on. And on the third hand (?), wouldn&#039;t a good critical thinker first turn their powers on their own thinking first and evaluate their own effectiveness, given the speakers, relationships, context, culture, and subject? Perhaps we should be careful not to mistake behaviours for (effective) underlying thought.

Good post; thanks for this...   Milan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, would it be fair to say that you&#8217;ve built this to persuade trainers who teach this crap to stop doing so? Is this what an effective strategy for that purpose looks like? I fully agree with you re: always/never, but have no idea how to effectively deal with it other than to ask the odd question, try to open things up, and not expect to change anyone&#8217;s thinking and behaviour in a single encounter with them.</p>
<p>As for the postscript homework, it&#8217;s an interesting question: on the one hand, who could argue against critical thinking? On the other, who actually wants and doesn&#8217;t want the sort of *behaviour* that we associate with critical thinking &#8212; lots of questions, putting forward counter-arguments, and so on. And on the third hand (?), wouldn&#8217;t a good critical thinker first turn their powers on their own thinking first and evaluate their own effectiveness, given the speakers, relationships, context, culture, and subject? Perhaps we should be careful not to mistake behaviours for (effective) underlying thought.</p>
<p>Good post; thanks for this&#8230;   Milan</p>
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