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30 Apr

The first shot, or is it the second, or is trdev for real?

I’ll be filling in the blanks on why I was apparently banned from participation on the trdev list, in part so you can make your own judgments, but more because I think it’s an interesting learning possibility. I believe every event, good or bad or indifferent can and ought to be a learning event, or opportunity, so I will be posting on the trdev saga. I’m not sure WHAT exactly can be learned. You’ll have to decide what works for you.

I’m going to start with my post to two of the trdev moderators, Bev Ferrell, and Korbus Kruger. In part it is in response to a note (from Korbus) informing me of my removal from the list. It contained a number of OTHER things which I will reveal over time, as it’s a bit shocking. Some might call it threatening.

In any event, the note that I sent suggests that we try to work things out, and gives them some time to indicate they are willing to do so. I include this here so that readers may know that I’ve pursued other private avenues to sort this out. If this group of folks wants to confront, then we can do that also.

I just thought I would give the two of you and the list brass an opportunity to enter into discussion about your ban email, its contents, and consequences. I’m just offering you a heads up that if I don’t hear from you by 10pm today, April 30, EDT, that I will conclude that you don’t wish to work at a resolution of the issues.

If I do not hear from you, I will unbind myself of any obligations or rules connected with trdev, and will begin responding to your actions publicly (but of course, off of trdev). In case any moderators are not aware (and I state this as a simple fact, not a boast), I have extensive”communication reach” across the Internet and with print publications related to training and development. I have a good story to tell that can be spun in a lot of different ways. How and if it gets told is up to you.

I can promise you that in the event that you choose confrontation rather than negotiation, I will stay (as I have always stayed), within the law, and do nothing illegal, immoral or fattening.

It all seems a complete waste of time for all of us to fight, but it’s really your choice to do so.

One of the first pieces I’ll be publishing is tentatively entitled:

Training and Development (trdev) discussion list staff threaten well known author and trainer, Robert Bacal.

Kobus, unfortunately, you are listed as the originator of the banning email you sent, so I’m afraid, well, you are kind of on the hook for the threats at the end.

PS. I’m not dumb enough to think that this situation is one that anyone “out there” really cares about, let along trdev list members who, quite frankly, do longer seem to care about anything connected to the list (congrats moderators on such destruction).

Still, I think it’s worth the telling, and there’s a lot of learning that can be had from this, for everyone.

2 Responses to “The first shot, or is it the second, or is trdev for real?”

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    admin Says:

    Just a quick after comment. The trdev folks did not reply to my attempt to open a dialogue, so I’ll carry on the conversation here, in public as time permits, posting some of the original messages.

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    Mail sent to Robert Bacal banning him from trdev (training and development) discussion list | The Curmudgeonly Trainer Says:

    [...] After a period of criticism about the running of the trdev list, Robert Bacal received the following from Kobus Kruger. Due to the general secrecy of the moderating group, nobody knows who actually owns trdev, but it’s primarily Kobus and Bev Ferrell that seem to be the public face. The email is reproduced in its entirety. My comments (or what would be responses) are in blue. My response to their post is here. [...]

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